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Veils of Delusion: Bridging Minds
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The talk explores the delusion aspect of human consciousness, emphasizing its omnipresence as a barrier to penetrating true understanding. The discussion delves into how delusion, coupled with unwise attention and unsystematic thought, perpetuates mental states characterized by deceit, envy, and distraction. The talk further compares Eastern and Western philosophical perspectives on consciousness, focusing on how delusional states link to unwholesome mind states in Buddhism and connecting these views with similar concepts in Western Christianity and psychology. The analysis also touches on states of consciousness in animals versus humans, emphasizing the inability of animals to achieve enlightenment due to their lack of moral development.
Referenced Works:
- Thomas Aquinas: Aquinas' exploration of covetousness and lust within Christian theology serves as an example of parallel frameworks to Buddhist understanding of the seven deadly sins and mental defilements in Zen teachings.
- Unwholesome Mental States (Buddhism): The talk references the 11th and 12th unwholesome states, focusing on perplexity and excitement, highlighting their significance in Buddhist philosophy concerning delusion.
- Christian Theology: The discussion mentions Christian emphasis on understanding states of mind, sin, and morality, drawing comparisons to Buddhist practices.
The discussion centers on the complexities of delusion within Buddhist philosophy and how various traditions address the same human tendencies towards distraction and ignorance.
AI Suggested Title: Veils of Delusion: Bridging Minds
The only two left was the absence of delusion becomes delusion of absence. Except that the one thing, of course, is that delusion is that we're all in our absence. That's delusion, right? Yes, delusion is the one root that's present in all these . It says about delusion blindness, opposition to knowledge. It's the essence of non-penetration.
[01:05]
It covers the intrinsic nature of the object. It's opposed to right conduct causing blindness. And the first to cause is unwise attention. So, as I mentioned, I think, last week, you know, each of these, um, Each of these groups has a tradition in some kind of Buddhist meditation associated with somebody with delusion, which is everybody. Since delusion is associated with delusion type of person, the person who is mostly a grief type and the person who is mostly a hate type. In any case, they're a delusion person. And following the breath is recommended for to get some accurate, more accurate information.
[02:14]
Unwise attention, why it's interesting because it is, in a sense, attention to the wrong thing. OK. whatever I would say for you, which I think are deceit, envy, meanness, jealousy, sloth, and purpose. Purpose. Purpose. Purpose. And I think in different parts of these other consciousnesses, I think it kind of pops up here and there. Well, yeah, I don't know if this one here is particularly solid or corporate.
[03:17]
I think this one, or this doesn't involve so much envy, needness, validity, and corporate, but more, as you mentioned before, excitement. Yeah. It says that on excitement, which we call blurring and worry, its characteristic is like running across water. Its function is wavering like a flag in the wind. Somewhere else they have a function of something like advertising oneself like a dam. Manifestation is whirling like scattering ashes. And cause is . That's an interesting term, that unsystematic thought talked up several times in this country. Yeah, they use it all through the screen and tell us what they're trying to find out what they have.
[04:20]
Well, that sounds a little bit like evangelism or something. What's that? Unsystematic thought. I think it's more like It does sound like unsystematic thought would be, well, they should have systematic thought in that scientific list and rationality. No, that's not unsystematic thought. It said that unsystematic thought is non-skillfulness and unsystematic mindfulness. So therefore, systematic thought is changed. No, the addiction with multiple activities by means once met up.
[05:27]
So it's by the lack of mindfulness and the lack of discipline in the proximate class. That's why it is being scattered and green tops and radiant. You know, I get the feeling that I don't know, there's a dharma. There's a dharma in the, uh, survival system. that you split from one thing to another.
[06:54]
Think about one thing, and you think something else, and you will. But if I do this, this, and then if I do that, but if I do that, that, and then you need to go up in all these different directions, and you don't sort of stay with something. I'll follow through on a particular ... [...] Yeah, I think this is probably a person who wearies himself out by ruminating and cogitating about the nature of things without ever penetrating it.
[07:58]
A person who is dominated by skepticism feels the doubt with respect to everything and is unable to reach a decision as to where the truth lies. Mind is weak in people in the sense that it cannot stay with one subject. and through absorption penetrates into its very nature, and so it turns between a multitude of topics. That sounds something like that 11th consciousness? Yeah, the 11th unholstomal. Yeah, that's the 11th unholstomal, but that's also, specifically we were talking about the nature of the living, which is also present here, but that's more, The eleventh one is perplexity. Isn't a company like this interest in a special delusion?
[09:13]
Right. Perplexity is delusion. I'm interested in the that talks about excitement. Is that the last one? Is that the last one? The Christmas date that talks about excitement. Yeah, the 12th one actually. Excitement a very high place of importance. Because it says that it's associated with excitement. Uh-uh. Specifically. Well, it's called excitement, or distraction. Do you know in the unholson states, if this is supposed to be the worst unholson states, or the last one the worst, or if it's not in order like this? No. Rev was saying that This is the worst because you feel good about it.
[10:18]
You're going to sense it. What was the second one you feel good about? The second one was prompted. This is worse because nobody put you up to it. It wasn't like somebody instigated you, but this is just you got off on it on your own. This is the most penetrating because the ones that make you feel bad, that are full of pain, maybe some induce them to get you out of them. But this one, you're into it, you like it, it's great. You want to stay with it, and nobody's forcing, nobody's prompting you to do it. So in a sense, it looks like the best from the standpoint of Kushwa, because it's the closest to Kushwa, but from the standpoint of our Kushwa, it's the worst. I don't know, it doesn't mean so much to say best or worst. The most unholding thing, you can hit yourself. It is in a sense like the hardest one to get out of. This one will appear naturally. if you talk to a psychologist or somebody in the western world who would say what your ordinary like a person's ordinary state of mind or you know what general idea or what tv or something that mass culture presents as as a comfortable state of mind this would be it
[11:39]
well-adjusted, successful businesses. This is the product of psychiatry, isn't it? I mean, really? And this is what, at least in the most traditional schools, this is what they own? Well, not exactly. I mean, not exactly. I think it's a little oversimplified to say that, because this is a specific classification-based, I mean, the starting point of this whole system is the Buddhist path, you know, so... And the starting point of Western psychology is a little bit different. I think there's more to it than that, actually. I think it puts down Western understanding a little bit to say that this is the pinnacle of Western thought. But wouldn't they be starting with somebody in the bewilderment state? Excuse me, but first of all, Christianity has a very similar type of thing all worked out about covetousness and lust and you can read Thomas Aquinas and it's just completely this way.
[12:45]
And all this stuff is very carefully worked out. All the characteristics of covetousness and lust and anger and the seven deadly sins and the eight venial sins. So maybe if you take away Christianity then you have But certainly Christianity knew all about these things. When our culture was serious about Christianity, it was people paid a lot of attention to what their state of mind was, and whether Satan had gotten in there with covetousness. Does unprompted mean unprompted externally, or does that mean It seems like the worst would be the second thing.
[13:51]
Joyful and evil. If it doesn't... But the thing is that if it's... If it's prompted, it doesn't... This is... This here is where... You're just getting it without anybody, without anybody talking to you. Without you, you stop talking to me. It's happening. Yeah, I see some happy kangaroos. Not just a lawyer or a psychologist, but the kangaroos. Maybe in this one you have that opinion. When you have this polluted opinion and all of a sudden out springs to speak chaos. It appears that it's lacking forward. Well, I don't know if we have to say it better or worse, but this is in a way the hardest... Yeah, this is the one that's very innocent. And in a way, the hardest to... The hardest to... As you mentioned, the hardest to take notice or to acknowledge this as being unhelpful.
[14:58]
Because it feels so right. You know, it just feels right. It's sort of like, it's like the consciousness of the happy kind of earth. You know, it's just great. It's hard to point out there that animals couldn't have this state of consciousness because animals wouldn't have absence of blame or absence of those two things wouldn't be present in an animal. Only human beings can have that. I'm sorry, absence of fear of blame and absence of fear of shame. An animal that hasn't been trained by a person has completely no sense of a fear of blame or a fear of shame. So then there's an absence, right? You can't really have the one and not have the other.
[16:00]
is to ascertain the presence of equality. Because they have no potential to have... The absence of something that doesn't exist is not a real absence of it. You can train an animal to have shame and blame. Also in here, what is this? Yeah, that's true. A dog can sometimes live with mastery before he's going to do something. But he's got a different kind of look in his face before he does it and he knows his memory. The unconscientiousness here is not just the absence of consciousness. It specifically says that the unconscientiousness is not simply the absence of consciousness, but it is an active quality in itself. It's an active dominant in and of itself. Yeah, that's right. I mean, if we let's talk about the animal realm as a realm that not conducive to him and his deliverance, And they actually spent some time talking about why these animals can't be enlightened.
[17:10]
You know, you have to be an human being to do it. As I recall, that's one of the main considerations involved. Animal doesn't have a highly enough developed moral sense to be able to do these things right, you know. Wholesome conduct to unwholesome conduct, so. Yeah. who's maybe their main mode is to the enlightened state. They might not be cannibals, they might be gamers, though, actually. What's next? I'm going to skip that in a minute. I'm interested in these ones. We don't have a whole lot of time in that. I guess basically... Oh, no. Some of these are really good, Ed. I don't want you to just whip through them like that.
[18:12]
You've got a lot of stuff on a couple of these. One to eight are variations of number one, you're right. Okay, right. The second one is the same, except that it's prompted. And it's got two more additional barriers. Sloth, because... that holds himself unbiased, mindful, and comprehending, he experiences in his sense consciousness that ease, whereof the noble ones declare, he that is unbiased and watchful dwelleth at ease, and so, by earth-gazing, enters into and abides in the third jhana, then the contact, the feeling, perception, thinking, thought, ease, self-collectiveness, The faculties of faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, wisdom, ideation, happiness and vitality, right views, right endeavor, et cetera, and so forth, through the grasp and balance that arises, these are whatever other incorporeal, causally induced states that there are on other occasions.
[19:14]
These are the states that are good. All right. So what it seems to distinguish as this is this waning of passion for joy because it's no longer piquing or joy. And this is set to promote some unbiased or anonymity. Sukha is even stronger.
[20:29]
This no longer, no passion for joy, which means it is more unbiased. Because of that, he experiences this great ease, he who is indifferent dwelling with peace. He knew that, actually, he knew that. Huh? You may not be aware of it because it's public.
[20:59]
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