All right, we can begin. Um, I'm planning to, uh, to study artificial and I'm wondering, um, um, if that fits in, uh, appropriate for me. Mm-hmm. Let's take a look here and see. Look at your eyes. Is that okay? Yeah, there we go. That's better. I can see more. Um, have you actually started doing, uh, classes yet? Formally? Are you doing something? I studied, uh, anatomy and physiology. Okay, so that's kind of a prerequisite. You haven't actually signed up with a class or school? No, I'm planning to do a tutorial. A what? A tutorial. A tutorial, okay. Once you do the tutorial with the doctor in San Francisco, and do most of my studying with him, except for the courses I would need to take eventually.

[01:01]

Right. Yeah, that actually does look like a good way for you to go at this juncture in a lifetime, or an incarnation, because you've fulfilled, well, let's talk about it this way, you've fulfilled a lot of your, and will probably continue to fulfill a lot of your teaching agreements that you have with people, you know, to teach and to kind of let people receive or pass along what you know, or what you've experienced so far to other people. You still have quite a few of those, as one of the things you wanted to do in this incarnation was to touch in with people. You've got hundreds of those, hundreds of teaching agreements, meaning that for prior lifetimes they've kind of, will recognize you if you start to put yourself out there as a teacher, and you also have healing agreements, too, and this seems like a good time in the incarnation, having fulfilled a lot of those, having developed your personality and ego such as you've developed it so far, and gotten kind of broken through on a lot of the normal traps and so forth

[02:03]

that people understand about themselves in any one incarnation, with their personality and their imprinting and how they were raised and so forth. That seems like it's pretty well understood, in large part, to you, as it is now. So, the next half of life, you being kind of at mid-life, is about, well, gee, what's next? And you may have gone through a period, probably starting at around 38 to 40, where you felt that you had already completed certain things and were kind of wondering what was next, and this seems like a great thing to do because you do have a lot of healing energy around you. That is to say, guides and people that you, physical and non-physical people, energies and so forth, that can assist you and guide you along towards appropriate teachers for yourself to learn from, and also bring people in that want healing from you, because you're a very exalted person in your own right, and you have been for a number of your incarnations, meaning that you just show up and people kind of go,

[03:06]

oh, you know, energetically they feel that they want to receive something from you. And you're a very old soul, you're not going to be around too much longer, from where we look at it, in terms of coming back, we may have a few lifetimes left, but you're kind of like an old geezer, as it were, in terms of how long you've been around the planet in this particular cycle that we call linear time and so forth. There's other time frames that we won't go into right now, but you are really old. And, you know, it's kind of like you probably felt like you were going to retire, maybe quite young, in this incarnation, or gee, you had a lot of knowledge or a lot of just sense about things that was pretty innate. And so it's a perfectly appropriate thing to do now at this juncture, well, gee, what am I going to do next, kind of thing that most people get into at this particular phase of chronological life, and this seems perfectly appropriate. And acupuncture, what we're picking up there is that

[04:07]

you'll probably do something that is fairly non-traditional, in terms of going, say, two or three years, because the acupuncture requirements for licensing and so forth at this time, California, are fairly strict, and they're getting stricter. It means taking on, say, three or four years, and then two years or whatever it is for apprenticing or whatever. And it seems to us like you could really go ahead, do your tutoring or whatever it was, style, and we see you getting it really quickly through non-conventional means, rather than, say, going to the San Francisco Acupuncture School, and going through all those things, because you would be completely bored with that, and it would require a lot of you, that you would just be pushed up against something that you wouldn't like. Now that may be, it could happen that you go ahead and do that, but we feel that there's people that you know and can get in contact with, where you could do something very quickly, get licensed fairly quickly,

[05:09]

and go ahead and practice without going through the conventional means that you need to do that with. Because the people that will come to you aren't going to really sue you or anything, which is what the certification really does protect you from, in California and so forth. People you'll work with won't care, quite honestly. They'll come to you anyway. And you do have a lot of these. It looks like you're going into a cycle. Things tend to work from where we look at them in seven-year cycles, and chronological seven-year cycles are fairly predictable, in terms of the issues that it brings up. And so what you embarked on, probably from around 42, was a completion of a cycle, and wondering what was going to go on in your next cycle. Which is why it's probably perfectly appropriate that you took a break from Zen Center in your capacity that you were in, and were looking at doing something that was different. Because you have so many of these healing agreements.

[06:11]

All you have to do is show up in the space, and people will just kind of walk around and go, Oh, I remember you. They don't remember, of course, consciously. They may. And they'll go, Gee, are you going to teach or show me or heal for me this time? This happens on a very unconscious level for most people. But you have the ability, since you're such an exalted being, meaning that you tend to just naturally impact space that you walk into, in such a way that people kind of hover around and kind of want to know what you're going to say or do or whatever. You've been doing that for quite a number of lifetimes. Actually, all of your incarnations in this time space. So this looks real appropriate for you to get into some kind of healing, because you have a lot of people that want healing from you. And you have a lot of energies that come through your hands, that were picking up some of your guides and so forth, that you could be very good at. Have you ever studied the chakra system in the palm by any chance?

[07:13]

When healing energy comes through a physical body, sometimes it'll come through a voice, which you have. You can do that too. Sometimes it'll come through, when you're doing hands-on types of things, it'll come right, usually it points right here, through channels that come down the arms, the neck and arms, and out through the hands. And you have a lot of those pretty open right now. So it'd be really just a natural thing, really, for you to get into the healing arts in some capacity, but it will definitely be unconventional. You'll go about it in an unconventional way. You'll get maybe an unconventional degree or certification. You'll have unconventional teachers and people that come to you and so forth. So it seems like the probability of you doing this is very high, and we would of course encourage you to go for it, because a lot of people want it from you. You have agreements with them. So being an old codger and not coming back too much often, more in terms of your incarnations, means that it's kind of like doing clean-up.

[08:18]

Like you want to share and empty yourself, basically, of what the wisdom or the experience of your whole cycle of all these various incarnations that you've had before you leave. So it's this sense that you have of wanting to contact as many people as you can through the books that you've written, say, because that'll do it. People will come and go, oh, I remember, you know. Or through your lectures or whatever it is that you do, because you're wanting to empty yourself at this stage. And that's completely appropriate. So it looks like you're embarking on a cycle that will be more towards the hands-on healing and wanting to see people benefit directly from what you put out to them, as opposed to, say, not knowing what happens by writing books. Because it's been fairly a distanced experience up to this point. Now your essence or your spirit really wants the experience of seeing and having more of an emotional connection to the benefit

[09:21]

in the exchange of what you do in a healing context, you see. Which a direct way of doing that is through the hands. The hands-on healing. Because you're very masterful. You have it as being, well, we would call you a king. You may not need to know all about that. But the essence of who you are is mastery. And so anything you take on, you'll do very well. And you've been doing that lifetime after lifetime after lifetime, which is why people can kind of come around you and feel that there's this sense of mastery that's innately in your being. You may not see it because you have a personality that will reject it or accept it or whatever. Everybody's personality will do that kind of thing. But when you're in alignment with it, which you get to a good bit at a time, you have a sense of that. Of anything that you take on, which is why it's hard for, say, anyone to tell you what to do or give you any kind of advice, because you innately know what's right and what isn't right for you.

[10:22]

And you've been doing that for a number of incarnations. So that looks good. Looks very probable. That's a good thing to do. I'm also thinking about writing a book. Also unconventional. Because everything about you is unconventional. And anything that you do to express yourself will be fairly unconventional because you have that also in your being. Of wanting to do things, particularly at this stage in the game when we said that you were fairly old as a being here on this planet. And you're going to want to do things that are unconventional because that's the way you see things. And that's the way you... It seems you also have a gift for pulling together things from various traditional things and bringing some kind of cultural modernism into it. It looks like your book on Buddhism, for example,

[11:23]

will use a lot of cultural contexts that are modern to kind of bring Buddhism into some kind of contemporary form that people can relate to. And that you'll probably use a lot of examples of things from music and art and all over the place, even politics or anything. So it will be very unconventional. And it seems like it's much needed because there aren't a lot of books that we're seeing out there on Buddhism that do that or that bring, say, Christianity or any of the great traditions into something that's more contemporary. So it looks great. It looks more like the book will facilitate for you more of those teaching agreements that we were talking about and people going, Oh, yeah, now I can understand what that means. I didn't get it from this book or whatever. But the way you say it or the way you express... It'll probably be somewhat the way you talk. So it shouldn't be very difficult. It'll be bringing humor and cultural modern idioms into play

[12:30]

that make it contemporary so that people can understand. And it looks like it'll be fairly successful because you're already an author in your own right and people know the name. And it will probably do very well because it looks like you're coming into a different money phase, too. Money cycle. Upping your prosperity a little bit in terms of believing that you can do things that you like to do, expressing yourself the way you like to express yourself and having that make money and having that be okay. Because we're kind of skipping forward there in time and it doesn't look like you'll in any way, shape, or form ever do anything that you don't want to do for money. It just isn't going to happen. You may have paid dues earlier on in your lifetime, but, hey, you had it right away, but that just wasn't going to cut it. So it looks like you're coming into a new money cycle, too.

[13:33]

And the book could definitely facilitate that for you a little bit where you'll wear several hats and each one of these little hats will bring in a livelihood. Do you own property right now? You probably will somewhere along the line, maybe in the not-too-distant future. I'm looking at about three to five years. Do you actually own some property? If that's been a desire of yours. Oh, I don't know what to think about owning property. It could come in in the form of a collective or some people doing... Because you like to have a kingdom of some kind, whether that's your home that you reside in, whether that's your physical body as your kingdom, or whatever it is, you like having a 360-degree view. That's kind of the way it is. And so land would be eventually,

[14:35]

or coming in in terms of a cooperative with other people, possibly, or having a partnership of some kind. It looks like it's a little bit further off into the future, like three to five, possibly seven years. It's not going to be a concern right now. But eventually, we're seeing a very high probability that you will own land, probably with some other people. I also wanted to ask you something about... You mentioned about taking pictures, but I don't have a picture of Richard Baker. I don't know who he is. Yeah, we can pick up his energy. We've seen a picture of him before. Yeah, we've got his energy. I sometimes think about... I kind of wonder about if there's anything for me in particular to do in relationship with him that would be helpful for the two of us, or for him, or for me to do.

[15:37]

On the whole, I don't particularly relate to him. I haven't seen him in a number of years, and I've written to him a ton. I write to him occasionally. I write to him. And... And once he's written back to me, in about the same vein that our relationship was in for a number of years. And I feel now that there's... Anyway, I wonder if it makes sense for me in some way to continue writing to him, or see him, or just let it go. On the whole, in my sense, it's just let it go. Yeah, we validate that. And the reason is that he has found himself in a position... Well, certainly you have an understanding of what karma is, and what that may mean in terms of relationship. And at this time, he is in...

[16:40]

Let's take a look and see what's going on. He and a number... It seems like that you, Reb, he, and there were two other men. How many is that? Five. Five or six. It looks like there was a sextant. In other words, six people. The other three are missing. We don't see them around your energy field that much. Have had a number of lifetimes where there was a lot of struggle for power, and a lot of battle of will. And, of course, you come together usually in incarnation after incarnation wanting to heal something about those relationships from the past. And particularly when we said you're kind of an old codger. He's a little bit younger than you in soul age, and he has actually served you before. Because you've been very exalted and have been in leadership positions a number of lifetimes.

[17:41]

Many lifetimes. And he has always been in a position where he was the runt of the litter, so to speak, whether it was a familial context, being in the same family, or being in the same comrades-at-arms army, and all kinds of things. Because you guys go way back, the two of you. You have about 35 incarnations together. Okay? So there's a big history there. And as it looks now, the best thing to do for you is to let it go. Because he is in, as we're kind of looking at his emotional body and where he's receptive in his heart, he's not very receptive. He's still, he may be in the future, but right now he is exerting this, there's kind of over his heart, there's kind of this wall. And there isn't a lot of reception there. And so anything that you or anyone else in the organization right now may do to try and serve him in some way,

[18:44]

to better, you know, to make the situation better, is not going to be received. We see that that situation may be true for him for at least two or three more years. Okay? He's going through something fairly internalized at this point. And it may not get, he may have a break maybe in 1990, somewhere in the spring or fall, spring to summer rather, where he starts to get some kind of breakthrough in the internalization that he's been going through. And it just may not happen until then. So do yourself a favor in, you know, just not putting yourself through what response he may or may not give you, and whether that hurts your feelings or whatever. Because he's just not very receptive right now. He's going through a lot of self-karma, meaning karma with other people, and also karma that's very internalized, promises that he made or issues that he had that are very, very deep inside of him. And it looks like he's really struggling with self-deprecation.

[19:47]

Okay? Like a sense of low self-esteem. And this is the way that he has risen to the occasion to try and overcome it. Okay? So he has some pretty deep stuff that he's working on right now. And it looks like this year, 1989, was a pretty difficult one for him. And there really isn't a way that anybody else, since it's so internalized in kind of his own path, you know, his own internalized process, that anybody else can really do. He knows where you are. He'll respond when he wants to respond, but it may be a little while. So do yourself a favor of the aggravation of not having your love or concern received back, and let it go for now. It looks like you'll come together at some point in the future where he's worked out a little bit of this himself. And so that he will be more receptive to people that basically do care about him and know him as an essence and a spirit and can see that, and will be a little bit more responsive to what's given,

[20:50]

you know, as kind of an offering to him. But not now. You can let it go. Your essences understand each other very well, and there's a lot of love there. But right now, it's going to be real difficult. At least in the immediate future. He's really going through something. Really going through something. And he's just on a track. He's on a train, and he sees that that train going to a certain town, and he's not getting off until he gets to that town. That's the way it is. That's, from what we're picking up, the way it is for him right now. And it's like, gee, all these little stops and signals and everything along the way on the train. He's just completely not making use of, right now, any support that's there for him. But he'll pop through it, because his essence really wants to get through it. And it just may be a while.

[21:53]

It may be a while for him. I'm also interested, since the day she died, I don't feel, I felt in some ways very close to him when he was alive. And then, but in some ways now, looking back, I feel like I didn't, I kind of didn't really take advantage of the time I spent with him the way I could have. And I don't particularly feel, you know, some people sometimes have a kind of, even after their teachers departed, they still continue to have a kind of relationship with their teacher. I don't feel a particular kind of relationship, or like somebody, and I'm wondering if that's something that I could work on,

[22:57]

or, again, just not let it be in the way it is. Or, I still feel a kind of connection, but in its own way I feel a kind of response. But I also, so I don't know exactly what to make of that, or how to make use of that relationship at this time. Hmm, let's see, check out where he is these days. Well, he didn't reincarnate, so we're getting the sense that he's still on the astral plane. Okay, so, okay. Actually, it's just fine

[23:58]

that you're having feelings that you're feeling about him. Because at the time that you met him, he had an enormous impact on you. Enormous impact on you. So to think now, okay, now that that teaching agreement is gone, in some ways because he's no longer current, and it doesn't mean that you can't use him from time to time, or call his energy in when you have a question that only he could give you a response to. You can still do that, because you still have a relationship with him, really, when it comes down to it. He's pretty busy. We're getting a sense that he is still working a lot with people and students and so forth, even in a non-physical way. And he's still available to you, and you can make use of him any way you wish. If nothing else, to call his energy into the room, to ask him a question, wait for an inner response, whatever it is, he's still very much available to you. It looks like, though,

[25:00]

that in your own, what you want or are desiring, perhaps, is another teacher that is carnate, and that could come along at this stage, because you have a lot of teachers. I mean, some of them are carnate, a lot of them are discarnate at this point, and there's somebody that's living. Have you had a connection with someone that you have, in fact, met, that you felt that could kind of fill the gap where Suzuki Roshi died? Is this the fellow in the front? Yeah, yeah, that are alive now? Why don't you write all their names off, and we'll see who you have the most affinity with. Well, there's Thich Nhat Hanh, I've met her a few times, and then Swami Chetan Ananda, I feel. You've connected with him? What's his common name? Michael Shoemaker. Okay.

[26:05]

And I feel some close interkinship with Maureen Stewart, and Jack Cornfield, Stephen Levine. And I had a kind of, a fairly strong connection with Tara Tull, because I saw her in the movies. And... Anybody else? No, I don't know. I studied, when I was at the Indian Meditation Society, I studied with Jeff Goldstein and Michelle McDonald. Which was, that was good.

[27:08]

I don't, I don't, I still feel some closeness with Michelle. It's fun at the same time. I can't think of... Thich Nhat Hanh? Well, he's in France most of the time, he's not in Paris. Somewhere, I think Bordeaux. Yeah, I feel like that. What was left.

[28:17]

Because you actually did receive from Suzuki Roshi just about everything you could at the time. If you think about it, and feel it, there isn't any way at your developmental stage that you could have received more. You were doing exactly, perfectly what you needed to be doing with Suzuki Roshi at the time. Because you were younger, chronologically, you had more stuff going, there was more personality issues, more comments going with people. And he certainly facilitated and let that, you know, go and process along a little faster than it might have had you not come in contact with him. And so we see that as being a very full experience with not very many gaps left over. Certainly now, being older and having thought about it or felt it a little differently, you said, well, gee, why couldn't I have done that? But there really wasn't more that you could do at the time. So these people will come in, and your various teachers and so forth, will fill the gaps as time goes by. And this fellow seems to be,

[29:17]

at least in Suzuki Roshi's lineage or style of practice, or basic fundamental philosophy, seems the closest to him in some way. And the others bring other things to you as gifts and things that you'll learn. And some of them, the man Levine, and not so much Jack Kornfeld, so there's something going on there with Jack Kornfeld. Let me take a look here. One of the things that comes up pretty strongly about him is that he is really looking at not being around that much longer. We're picking up something about his energetic and physical body that seems to indicate there's some kind of desire on his part to leave the planet and maybe the not-so-distant future. I thought he was just going to go on vacation. Pardon? I thought he was just going to go on vacation. Well, from where we're looking at it, he looks like he's really looking at the astral plane fairly longingly.

[30:20]

And it's pretty tough to put a year thing on it, which we won't do. But he seems like, of course, that he... You're basically older than him, soul age-wise, and have a fair range of competency that he, of course, can fill in gaps for you, and you can receive, of course, a heart connection from him, but we don't feel that it's as strong as some of the other ones that you've mentioned. Margaret, the woman... Was it Margaret? Maureen. Maureen. Seems fairly strong in the heart. And she has a fairly developed sense of her higher centers, and there's something... What is it for her? Let's take a look here. What's her last name? I won't give you all the details of the past lives, but there's a lot of connection there in terms of, oh, it looks like you've been mated to her a couple of times. You've been in the same general family with her, like siblings and so forth. And there's a sense with her of feeling very nurtured around what the mother represents in the universe.

[31:26]

And that is to say a lot of nurturing from the feminine. And that seems to just kind of be there, and that's really fundamentally what you get from her. There's a little bit of intellectual stuff going on, but it's mostly heart with Maureen. And it seems like she teaches you a lot about the feminine aspect or just what it means to be embodied in the female in its pure sense, you know, being very nurturing and receptive to things, very open-hearted. And let's see, who else can we talk about here? They all, in their own way, are providing you with something. The man Levine seems to be able to provide you with some insights into the healing arts a little bit, since he's been around Dad and works with death and dying people and has some insight there. And not one of those is sticking out as being someone

[32:31]

that's going to feel or have as profound an effect on you as Suzuki Roshi did, in a way. But cumulatively, they're all really good people to hang out with for you at this time, for sure. They all have an aspect to themselves that is given and received by you in a really nice way. I'm wondering if you have something... Well, I'm wondering about my relationship with Patti and how it's going to play out. Okay, you guys have been around the block, too. Yeah, you have a lot of blending in terms of the past, because what we look at is what kind of sense of age that we see there. So what we see going on there is fundamentally

[33:32]

what's outwardly been presented as past companions, meaning that rather than to get together and work on your own psychology with one another and your issues that you have, not that that doesn't exist to some degree, but that it's mainly an outward expression that what you grow and learn with together is expressed outwardly and shared outwardly. It's like two oxen being under the same yoke, kind of basically, fundamentally being, having similar goals in life and similar personal goals and so forth that you can work with side by side as you kind of move forward into time. Okay, there seems to be something, that is to say it's a fairly stabilized relationship at this point. You've been mated to her before. She's served you a lot. She's a warrior role, as we talk about these roles that we won't go into extensively at this point.

[34:32]

But she's basically very grounded, even though she has a very fluid and artistic side. And you sense a kind of, let's see, drive, let's say, or ambition in her that she has this lifetime that you are actually learning from. And she's learning about keeping things simple from you because you have a personality this lifetime that is kind of aimed or motivated towards that end, okay, towards keeping things simple and getting the most that you can out of what experience is around you, where Patty is in growth this lifetime as a personality motivator. And so she is like looking to evolve very quickly and rapidly. And she really causes you to kind of take these growth leaps every now and again that had you not been around her, you may not, okay, to examine. And she, you have the effect on her of making her reevaluate

[35:35]

some of her experience in a way that she normally may not. So it's a pretty good blending over there in terms of what you both can teach one another. However, it looks like, how long have you been together, like knowing each other in intimacy? It seems like it's been a fairly amount of time, like, gee, six years, something like that, six, seven years? Five. Five or six years. Five or six years. You may notice that when you hit your seventh year together that something might occur where you'll really seriously reevaluate the relationship again, where you'll either move into, say, more of a commitment with one another outwardly, say, entertain thoughts of either being married and taking it once, maybe living together, deepening the physical space relationship, or you may decide that you really are on two different paths at that point. And it may already be leading up to that in some way where it needs to be drawn into some kind of decision

[36:35]

where you decide to go for it, you know, like in a living space way, or really decide if you've completed what you need to complete with one another and make that okayed. But if it's the sixth year, it looks like you're already, both of your essences are already bringing those considerations in and looking at, well, gee, how is this really going? Am I getting fundamentally my needs met here? How are we relating to one another? Because it looks real solid in a lot of fundamental ways and very productive because there's good support there. And it looks like she is getting a lot of her needs met in the relationship to some degree, maybe 60%, 65% in terms of how she relates to you. And you are too, but there's something going on there. It looks like even this year, being the type of year that it's been, has been very internalized for most people. And it's made communications a little bit more difficult than normal.

[37:37]

It's been a very atypical year as far as that goes. People really withdrawing into their own muck, really looking at it very intensely and not particularly feeling as communicative as normal and really having a lot of their stuff up and wanting to stay in that stuff as opposed to really getting down and relating in a relationship really well. It's been that kind of a year. It's been fairly disruptive, to say the least. And usually what's occurring or what's trying to occur is truth to come into the relationship. Whatever illusion has been there, whatever projection has been operated off of, or whatever, it's going to happen this year. It's been happening a lot this year. So you may have noticed some of this going on in your relationship to her, like, well, gee, I don't really want that. Or, gosh, what are you doing over there? Or, where are we going really in our relationship? We see it intensifying a little bit more next year as you go more towards the seven-year cycle where you may be more and more aware of what may not be working

[38:42]

as well as what is working for you. And she may be going through a similar thing. Let's take a look at her for a second. Were there any specific questions about any particular problems or issues that have come up in the relationship this year that you'd like some clarification on around Patty? Because it looks like there's been a lot of really good stuff that has happened. Finally, um, um, you know, it seems to be pretty good this year. And I feel actually more settled in the relationship than I have. Mm-hmm. In this case. Mm-hmm. I reckon this year it's good. It may come up. Something may come up. Because, you know, task companions tend to be really, or when you're exhibiting kind of a task companion-ish relationship,

[39:45]

it feels real solid most of the time. Like this person's going out and expressing their individuality and then bringing that individuality back into the relationship. But there's something happening there real strongly about your living situation that could change one of these days fairly soon. Like it'll come up as an issue. Like, gee, are we really going to go for it and move in together and try to establish some kind of a household together, or are we going to continue along this path? Well, I just want to move in. Mm-hmm. I mean, I just moved in. We may have to move. The landlord is thinking about evicting us, right? Mm-hmm. I want to move in after the next few years. Yeah. It seems like some change may occur in that. We're going into a… You'll definitely… The probability of you staying in our apartment is really slim at this point.

[40:46]

It looks real slim, very slim. And it could happen within, gosh, four to six months. Maybe even sooner. Well… The probability of that looks real high. All right. Real high. We can't do anything until December. Yeah. Yeah. It looks good. It looks good. Something may happen in the seventh year, though. So I anticipate that. I've never traveled very much. Mm-hmm. And I'm sort of… Sometimes I feel like, well, wouldn't it be good for me to travel? I never much feel like traveling. And other people say, oh, how great it was to travel. And it really helped in this way or that way. And I don't seem to be particularly interested in traveling. When Patty goes to India, I'm not particularly interested in going to India.

[41:48]

I don't have particular interest in going to Nepal or the Himalayas or Japan or anywhere particularly. And… You've been to all those places. Remember when we said you're an old codger? You've had tons of lifetimes in all those places. You've been to Tibet. You've been to Nepal. So it's like when you… Because you're doing a lifetime this lifetime of trying to keep things simple and not be overwhelmed by things, basically, so that you can really get down and study or look at the three or four things that you are going to deeply go into in this incarnation very, very deeply and not be particularly distracted by all these things that everybody else does. And they bring you the news. You don't have to go. They'll show you the pictures. It's just… It's completely appropriate for you not to be traveling. You've been in a lot of those places. Occasionally you'll go because it seems like it disrupts your instinctive center

[42:53]

to be overwhelmed by details of traveling and having to not know what kind of accommodations you're going to have. You know, your survival or root chakra, where that's where all the information is held usually about how comfortable you feel in any environment. It's really rattled when you go to these various places. Plus, if you haven't noticed, a lot of people have come to you and brought their experiences to you, so you didn't have to. And that's perfectly appropriate. You've been to all those places in previous times, so it doesn't really matter, and it's basically perfectly fine. Because your thing is to not be overwhelmed. You don't like being overwhelmed. You want to keep things real simple. If they get too overwhelming, it makes you withdraw. I've also now… Now, you invited me today because there was another woman at my workshop at the Sahara

[43:54]

who does some kind of shaman work and out-of-body travel. I've been sort of… With this recent kind of… Well, recently with my… Recently, this very personal encounter went this way with this kind of area, a little bit of experience and so on. So, I'm actually kind of interested or curious and wondering if it would be at all useful for me to in some way study that or develop those areas. Yes, it would be useful. And we'll tell you why at this point in terms of where we're looking at it from. You've pretty much exhausted the root, even though you've incorporated it pretty much into your being

[44:56]

and what your life is like this time, in terms of self-observation. You've mastered that. You really have. And you'll continue to do that on to, you know, the time you die. And it's just like, what's next? Your essence says that there's some kind of growth spurt every now and again that you're going to want to bite off here and there. So, it seems perfectly natural that you'd open yourself up to new dimensions or different types of ways of looking at things. And that's perfectly okay, because even in your wanting to keep things simple, you're going to slide over there to wanting to have growth experiences and learn about new things. It's just in your being, you know, wanting to do that. So, this seems like the shamanistic thing has definite intrigue for you because you have been around people that have done that before. And it's a healing tool, basically. Learning about the instinctive center is what shamanism is all about. It's learning about fears

[45:57]

and learning about how various and sundry energies of the planet and the elements and non-seen energies that your physical eye can't see. Getting a sense of the non-physical energies that are around would be real appropriate because it will help you in your healing work. For example, if you come upon an acupuncture, certainly you may or may not have had this experience already, of coming upon, just say running your hands over a person's body, you'll feel something. Either a hot or a cold or you may even get a picture image of some kind of pain that someone had or an old injury or something. You can certainly feel where that stuff is blocked because the physical body has energy moving through it all the time that's not seen. So, as you develop these skills, if you take this on, which it looks like you will in Little Fits and Starts,

[46:58]

you'll develop a sensitivity that registers, it's a little bit like looking at air currents, you see the trees that move and the way that the wind affects it, but you can't really see wind. The same is true of water. You see the effect of what the forces are, but you can't really see the forces that are moving the water basically. And the same is true of non-physical or astral types of energy. And by developing your sensitivity to those energies, people are affected much like trees that blow around. They're feeling this energy coming at them so they go like this or whatever. And non-physical energies are very much the same as that. So, developing your sensitivity to that would be terrific because you'll be able to feel or sense things

[48:00]

more from here or the other places in the chakra system where you input that kind of information. And it'll help you do that. Plus, it's interesting. It's kind of fun. It's different. It's something that you haven't taken on really. So, you'll probably do it in little stages here and there just to kind of develop your sensitivities to the non-physical or even to incorporate it in your self-study. You see, like, gee, I had this sense when I was running my hand over her that, gosh, there was this image that I got of something. And it's just kind of fun. It makes the experience a little fuller. So, it seems completely appropriate. You're not very far from that anyway. It would only take a little bit of instruction here and there to get you on to that anyway because you've had a lot of lifetimes as a shaman too

[49:01]

or at least around people that were doing it. More growth. It's just a way of a little bit more growth, more fullness of your incarnation. You're developing skills here and there and being in touch with this type of thing and that because you have such a broad base of understanding of self. Pretty much. You have a pretty broad base. It goes way out horizontal and like roots of a tree, it goes very far down. And so now the interest is in more of the ascendant energies. Okay? The ones that go up and out because your base is... It's a perfect time to get into this stuff because you've got a lot of that other stuff handled. So... Something that I... I feel...

[50:06]

I don't know. Sometimes I guess I get sort of... Anyway, I'm... In terms of deciding or finding somebody to study like that, what do I do? Would you like anything else? Wait for it to come to me? Lots of things come to me. Yeah, lots of things come to you because you just collect. It's like Mr. Teflon. Not Teflon, but Velcro. You know, you put it out and things will just come your way. And... What you might just want to pay attention to would be what is your heart response, your instinctive center response, OK? What physical sensations you may have as far as intuition go as what may be the right person to study with or an opportunity that comes along that really your essence goes this one, this one, and you're getting it, bells going off, and you're... Certainly you've made decisions like that

[51:08]

based on those types of things. OK? And this is another one. Yeah, but bells go off less often than they used to when I was younger. Yeah. It just kind of happens that way. But your bell system is definitely still very active. So you don't really have to worry about it. You can put it out to the universe or just say I turned it over or whatever. Show me a teacher. Because you'll know. You'll get a very strong instinctive sense like your body will feel like it's really... Yeah, let's go. Or your heart may open as a response. Or you'll see a recognition of someone. You may not know them from Adam, but your response to them will be one of attraction rather than, say, repulsion or being neutral. And certainly you must know what that feels like to feel attraction rather than repulsion or neutral

[52:08]

or complete aversion, you know. So you won't... It looks to us like if you put it out as even a statement in your mind as a thought, because thoughts really do have density to them, that someone will come in at the appropriate time to work with you. And there's many, many teachers out there that do this kind of thing in terms of instruction. It's just a matter of what it is you want. And if you can clarify what the want is, then boom. Because you're a really good manifester if you don't already know that. Remember talking about Velcro? It's like, OK, once you have the thought or the idea, no problem. You know, these things show up in your reality very quickly. It doesn't happen to everybody. No. Because they tend to be blocked and feel that they don't deserve what it is that they want. And there's this whole ego mechanism that gets in there that refutes everything that someone might want.

[53:10]

No, you're a very good manifester. You always have been. All these incarnations. You've had the occasional incarnation where things fell asunder. But basically, if you put it out as a want, would it be something like instruction in developing the clairvoyant sense? Or do you have an idea, basically, what it is that you're looking for? Or a desire? Or when you say you want to develop your sensitivity, because we know people out there, so... Well... Can you put it into words at all? I guess, you know, I'm a little bit sort of confused about it. But... Because...

[54:17]

Well, the confusion is, I think about it partly as some further way, or alternative way, to connect with people. And to assist people, or aid people. At the same time, I mean, I'm not sure how busy I want to be doing that. And that's completely up to you, you know. Remember we said everything is unconventional, where you're concerned? Well, hey, somebody could come in and say, gee, you want to learn this? I can teach you how to do this. We can spend maybe one, two hours a week where you're learning a certain process

[55:24]

to develop your sensitivity. And then, boom, it's over. And you'll incorporate it real quickly into, say, what you do with your acupuncture. See, we see it going in as a process that kind of goes into the experience that you're already doing, but you have a few more tools here. It's not that you go hang your shingle as, you know, a metaphysician or something. That's not it. It's just that you use the tools that you learn, which is where we're seeing your desire going, OK? As you put the desire out there, you'll get tools, OK, that will help you in doing what you already do anyway. And if you want to put it into, say, learning about acupuncture, you could use all those tools, developing those sensitivities, to that end, rather than saying, gee, now that I've learned these tools, I'm going to go off and be a blah-blah, you know, a psychic or a... That doesn't really resonate over there.

[56:25]

It's just an incorporation of more skill. But once you take it on, we just have to tell you, you'll probably feel compelled to master it, because that's the kind of person you are. You know, you'll want to do the best that you can at it, so don't be surprised if you want to spend time, at least a chunk of time, to that end, say, two hours a week, or one hour every other week, or something like that, because that's just your tendency, to want to do something well. Otherwise, why take it on? So, it would be important to be with someone, or responsive to someone, that comes into your reality, that you like, that you don't mind spending time around anyway, that has this particular thing to share with you. Does that make sense? Because you probably won't spend tons of time at it. It isn't really that difficult to pick up, being the old codger that you are.

[57:26]

You know, it's not really that difficult to do. It just takes a little practice, like anything else. My right eye and left eye are two different things. And the colors are different. When I look at you, you look quite different, than when I look at my right eye. Were you born with that sight? Or was there something? I think so. It looks like you were, actually. One of the things that... Remember when we were saying that you're having a lifetime of trying to keep things simple? OK. Actually, it was useful for you to have that. And one of the things about sight... Let's see. I need to look at something here. Sight is related to the emotional center.

[58:30]

OK? The heart. And it seems like it has served you to keep things a little more simple than you might have had you had completely 100% correct and normal... Because you're going to do things unusually, anyway. And it assisted you in not taking too much on in this incarnation. Because your whole shtick this lifetime is about simplicity and not being overwhelmed. And sometimes, if you get stressed or overwhelmed, your physical eyes, or if you get even overwhelmed emotionally, because you are a very emotional person and are very naturally clairsentient. In other words, you can feel the emotional range of an environment, or a room, or a person very quickly. OK? And if you get overwhelmed, your eyes will really get tired.

[59:31]

OK? And they'll tend to cross more than... or feel like you may even have less control over that phenomena when you get overwhelmed. So it forces you to withdraw and go rest or whatever it is that you need to do. And it was something that looked like you chose that as a means to kind of remind you that that's what you were doing this lifetime. Is to not feel overwhelmed or take off too much. Because you're basically having a rest lifetime. OK? That doesn't mean that you don't have any growth at all. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here. But it's considered a rest to have a lifetime that you're having. One that's in reevaluation as a whole. And your physical eyes remind you that that's when you're doing your ordering on the astral plane of the body type you wanted and so forth. Like, oh yes, this will remind me not to take on too much or not to get too overwhelmed because I am really resting.

[60:32]

You know, you're not taking on tons and tons and tons of wide experience. Yeah, I don't feel particularly ambitious. No! And it's perfectly fine because you're having a rest. It's a rest lifetime for you. You've had tons of activity in other lifetimes and chances are you may have tons of activity in another lifetime. But this lifetime is about simplicity. So you've found a perfect means for yourself of studying, mastering, sitting. And, of course, you'll want to get out of that from time to time and study various and sundry things because even in a simple or a rest lifetime you recognize that you want to take on new experiences for yourself and new things. But, fundamentally, it's a rest. And your eyes remind you of that. They keep you in touch with that sometimes on a sometimes non-conscious physical level. Yeah, that's fine to not be ambitious. Hey, you're an old codger. You've been around a long time.

[61:33]

You're basically a teacher. When you get to be this age of soul evolution wanting to empty yourself of what you know to others. And it's perfectly fine that you feel restful and not ambitious. It's completely fine. Although you're in a culture that it isn't fine because the value system in this culture is quite different and quite counter to that.

[62:02]

@Text_v004
@Score_JJ